Tea Party

believe what you want, believe that dinosaurs never existed or that someone walked on water you have every right to believe such nonsense but if you start to tal to me about it ill express my opinions as respectfully as possible

Dude, you just called every religion bullshit and retarded, how is that respectful? In even the smallest way?

I mean seriously, yeah if it's brought up or even if you want to bring it up yourself, you have the right to speak your stance and it is a valid stance, even if you believe all religion is bullshit and retarded but highly unrespectful.

Not to mention completely off topic, so I'll just drop it here and if you'd like I'm pretty sure there's a religion thread buried somewhere and we can go on there. Granted, I kind of lead everything off topic with Fox News


Sorry, I'm probably being a huge bitch.

for all of you to be so concerned about the tea party is quite said. Instead of sitting on your cmputers bitching go out and counter protest or join them in there protest whatever you stand for.

Welcome to the United States of America, where we have liberities like freedom of speech, organization, and religion.

The only thing i have to say about the tea party(iers) is that they are ripping the Republican party in half, which is awesome.

And everyone one being scared that Obama is a communist..... Here's a clue he is laying the ground work for the next Democratic presidents to make this country more socialist, if you dont like it vote republican and watch the US fall just like the roman empire, and every other huge world power there was. Capitalism doesnt work when you have grown to big..... Does anyone remember we are in a huge debt crisis for a reason. Got to bloated and the bubble popped.

Lets all sit back not stop our economy get bloated again and maybe this time we can really have another "Black Thursday" and have a REAL depression.


sorry if this is incoherent mess

EDIT: Religion is total bullshit and that is being respectful cause even religions cant be respectful towards each other. Plus on top of it to believe one book of the Juda/Christian/Islamic religions is like reading only one chapter in a book. READ ALL 3 because all three come from the same god, NO....

Ska_Sean

Name me one socialist country that isn't either failing or cutting down on their socialism?

The funny thing is, that it was over spending that our country is in debt, which is tied a string of promises from both democrats and republicans that could not be kept. Like right now, 150 billion dollars for a socialist health care plan that we can not pay for, Obama is raising the taxes for people who make over 250,000 a year, good, but he's telling us that he's not going to raise the taxes for the middle class?

Bush spent like a democrat, he paid for nothing he did and so far neither is Obama.

Even with 21 million dollars of sin taxes, that's only managed to pay off the 20 million dollars worth of signs bought under the stimulus bill telling the American public that the money is being spent.

We're still funding a war, but the good news on that it seems like things are actually being done over there.

Most of the world is capitalist, even China practices Capitalist Communism.

So is capitalism the fault or unrealistic promises just be put into office? Maybe both.

In my opinion, the reason for the state of the economy is the same reason why socialism would never work. People taking advantage of the system, with a nice pinch of greed.

Like I said, the reason I'm not a part of the tea party movement is because there is not a clear answer on where free market ends. I won't do anything until there is a clear answer, but I will defend as much as I know.



That's bullshit, that isn't being respectful, and that's the whole damn point I made. This world would be so much better off, if everyone just practiced a little respect.

And it's a shit move to say you can be disrespectful because someone/thing can't be respectful.

amen...... hahahaha religion is the bane of humanity and im against political conservatism the people that are part of conservative parties scare the fuck outta me pat robertson mary fallin jim inhoffe sara palin glenn beck fucking demagoguerous scary bastards.... they will hurt you and enslave our people with god on their side fucking scary
and by the way the free market system would totally work if the worlds money wasn't controlled by private banking interests but as it stands now free market is an illusion there is no wealth to be had by any but those who have it already

Wow this topic got really long all of a sudden.

Personally, I find it really depressing and discouraging that one of the most significant popular political developments of the last ten years is the Tea Party. I understand perfectly well that it started out as a libertarian-esque, small government, low taxes sort of movement. From what I understand it actually formed around protest of the stimulus package, and was also very vocal in denouncing the health care bill. While I think the direction of the ire of the original Tea Party was somewhat misplaced, and the ideas somewhat naive, I found it somewhat less disgusting because it included people who consistently advocated small government in both economic and social policies. Still it could be argued that the platforms politicians like Ron Paul run on are archaic and not only do they reflect naivete and a lack of understanding of the current economic situation in the United States,but a lack of compassion or respect for children, the poor and minorities. HOWEVER I am not saying that all members of the tea party are racist, even subconsciously. Some just really do lack any understanding of the way the economy works.

Government spending during a credit crunch and consumer crisis does in fact boost the economy and create jobs. That is something that most economists agree on, and while concern over the deficit is certainly legitimate, the real emergency right now is unemployment. If capital does not start flowing again, people are not going to have money to spend, if people don't have money to spend the economy comes to a stand still. Government spending helps because of what we call the multiplier effect. Injection of a few dollars of spending creates more dollars of spending. Tax cuts, however, don't create revenue for the government nor do they contribute to the flow of currency within an economy. They are typically saved, not spent, which is the main flaw in the logic of the 'trickle down theory.' Which brings me to another point: I agree with the tea party on one thing, which is that Obama is going about this all wrong. However, I think their fears are way misplaced. Yes the health care bill sucked but I think thats because the Democrats and the Obama administration were too willing to compromise with the Republican party, and not aggressive enough in dispelling misinformation about what the House health care bill actually contained. Its astounding how many people, for and against the health care bill, had absolutely no idea what it was about. The compromised version that did make it through ended up including a mandate that screws over a lot of people, small business owners and people who can't afford health care, while its not quite clear what is going to be done about affordability. The stimulus bill wasn't enough spending and too many tax cuts. If we had gone ahead and just spend a whole shit ton of money really fast, we wouldn't have to keep doing it because the economy would pick up.

Also, I do know gay people, mexicans, black people, etc. who identify with the tea party, but the fact is that since the inception of the Tea Party it has been taken over by people like Sarah Palin, Newt Gingrich, Glenn Beck...people who are basically the same old neo-conservative republicans that have been in office since Reagan. The media treats the tea party as a separate entity from the Republican party but I fail to see what about their platform is different from that of the same old Republican party at this point. Yes they are a lot more aggressive about the 'small government' thing, but the party lacks any coherent message besides that. The Tea Party is basically just a catch-all group for anti-Obama, anti-Democrat sentiment, and for this reason has membership ranging from snooty Ayn Rand reading, 'self-interest' preaching libertarians to Neoconservatives like Newt Gingrich to people who are ignorant enough to think that the biggest threat to our country right now is socialism,, to racist douchebags like the ones with the signs I posted previously. I have friends who are conservatives who I respectfully disagree with but I have a really hard time respecting the Tea Party as a whole when it lacks the organization to have a focused message and deal with issues like that of people carrying openly racist signs at its rallies. Just openly denying that there is any racist backlash going on doesn't change the fact that it is.

Oh, also, MSNBC, FOX, and CNN are all completely clueless and not worth watching even a little bit. Arguing over which one sucks more is just silly as none of them provide you with full objective stories, but just things that fit into their narrative. They all ask all the wrong questions and have a completely juvenile attitude towards reporting.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/07/18/tea.party.imbroglio/

you know soem economists say legalizing marijuana would pull us out single handedly. as the value of marijuana on both the illegal and legal markets is virtually constant taking much of the risk out of starting or investing in a new business. also the fact that it could be produced and consumed strictly on american soil would allow for an almost constant flow of money generating millions of tax dollars.
plus think of all the nifty t-shirt slogans like HOMEGROWN with an american flag behind it, actually thats a cool bumper sticker idea....

pizza wrote:

Kam wrote:

Kam wrote:

Like right now, 150 billion dollars for a socialist health care plan that we can not pay for, Obama is raising the taxes for people who make over 250,000 a year, good, but he's telling us that he's not going to raise the taxes for the middle class?

I'll probably never understand what's socialist about this health care reform. There is statutory medical insurance in a lot of European countries and no one would call it socialist; it's just a matter of course.

Its funny because this "Socialist health care plan" is not even close to what it was originally supposed to be.
There's no public option, there's no medicare buyout. Its certainly nothing like a single payer health care system or anything like what they have in other countries. The mandate is shitty, but the stuff thats in this bill is mostly regulations on the insurance companies. This just goes to show that Americans will believe just about anything they are told.
Calling this plan socialist is just silly.
Claiming that we're becoming a socialist country is also just misinformation. There are plenty of mixed economies in Europe that don't fall under one dogmatic ideology or the other, and the idea that we have to be purely laissez-faire free market etc. is a very old idea. It has never worked before. Just like pure socialism has never really worked.
BTW China is a terrible example of communist countries becoming capitalist. They were hit really hard by the economic downturn, since they've switched over to a free market with absolutely no social safety net. I mean, they didn't have a social safety net before they became a capitalist country either, which is really th point. They were communists, that didn't work. Now they're sort of capitalists and thats not working too well either. Also, as pizza said before, their situation just goes to show that you can be a communist or capitalist country and be authoritarian.

skalastics wrote:

you know soem economists say legalizing marijuana would pull us out single handedly. as the value of marijuana on both the illegal and legal markets is virtually constant taking much of the risk out of starting or investing in a new business. also the fact that it could be produced and consumed strictly on american soil would allow for an almost constant flow of money generating millions of tax dollars.
plus think of all the nifty t-shirt slogans like HOMEGROWN with an american flag behind it, actually thats a cool bumper sticker idea....

I think they exaggerate, at least some as to how much it would really bring a country out of debt, but despite that, it would still put a huge dent in the country's deficit.

Also, we're all mindless sheep. Costco proved that to me. Except I prefer the term zombies.

I've never really understood how someone who promotes the prohibition of gay marriage, pot, abortion, etc, but at the same time promotes a free market can actually believe that they're voting for freedom. Apparently the only freedom that matters is economic freedom. Fuck social freedom, let's all go through the motions of each day without a single thought as to how each day could differ from the last.

skalastics wrote:

you know soem economists say legalizing marijuana would pull us out single handedly. as the value of marijuana on both the illegal and legal markets is virtually constant taking much of the risk out of starting or investing in a new business. also the fact that it could be produced and consumed strictly on american soil would allow for an almost constant flow of money generating millions of tax dollars.
plus think of all the nifty t-shirt slogans like HOMEGROWN with an american flag behind it, actually thats a cool bumper sticker idea....

Pot is something like a 6.1 billion dollar trade, thats just pot not any other illegal drugs. Making pot legal in states like California, Midwestern States, and even the Northeast would work.

Only three places that taxing pot wouldnt work is Florida, Louisana, and Texas, why because the streets are already flooded with it, and if the American Government came in and let people set up grows/coffee shops the prices of "Street pot" will go down to like $1 a gram.

Also growing pot yields something like 80% more biofuel when converted that corn and other products we use today to make biofuel... Its kinda like we can get out of the oil crisis and economic crisis by weed.....STRANGE that the government love DuPont plastics to much.

I just think pot should be legal because
1. That would make it easier to get
2. It would take a lot of business away from drug cartels.
3. Pot is fun.
4. I don't think I should have to go to jail for enjoying pot.
5. Pot does not have all of the negative consequences that anti-pot people seem to think.

The fact that we could get revenue from it is nice too though.

im glad we agree on something........... yay pot!

skalastics have you ever been to enid oklahoma?

yes i used to date someone from there

my family is from there its such a shit city, but damn it i like you

Yay pot indeed!

I love pot

It's 12:18 BST, therefore officially afternoon and I don't feel too bad about sparking up

If I was in England I would gladly smoke with you

Hypothetical bowl, anyone? I'm packing..