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Subject: Tea Party Fri Apr 16, 2010 11:52 am
Anyone else think this shit is out of control? Ultra-conservatives shouting racial and homophobic slurs, putting together rallies about why Obama is a communist, and complaining about America. I realize everyone has a right to their stance, however, check this article out.
They polled Tea Party members, things that stand out to me?
78% are more worried about economic issues rather than social, 30% think Barack Obama was born outside the US, (WOW) and 40% believe gays should have no legal recognition.
Also, the name is stupid, The motto of the Boston tea party was "no taxation without representation." But they can all vote, so, they should have representation.
Pants Ninja Warrior
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Subject: Re: Tea Party Fri Apr 16, 2010 1:03 pm
They mis-interpret communism in American, communism is a terrible thing that everyone is afraid of. They don't realize that Karl Marx created the idea of communism as basically a utopia, it would be the final stages of society after all other class structures failed. Socialism over and over again, etc. When Russia was our enemy in the cold war, they were communist (you know..Union of Soviet SOCIALST Republics). During the Red Scare back in 1917, communism was our enemy. It's a big idea in America, you're supposed to just be scared of communism.
ThusSpokeYourFace Ninja Warrior
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Subject: Re: Tea Party Sat Apr 17, 2010 3:11 pm
Fuck those teabaggers. A bunch of fucking retards who never once got off their fatasses in the name of civic participation when George Bush was starting illegal wars and raping us all in the ass and then Obama gets elected and we're in a depression and he follows the basic principles of Keynesian economics and all these uneducated hick douche bags who have never opened a god damn book or newspaper start screaming communism because Fox News tells them to. *deep breath*
There's a tea party today in Nacogdoches actually. I'm missing it...what a shame.
laurendelore juicebox romeo
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Subject: Re: Tea Party Sat Apr 17, 2010 3:39 pm
Damn.
ThusSpokeYourFace Ninja Warrior
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Subject: Re: Tea Party Sun Apr 18, 2010 3:08 pm
Maybe I was a little harsh.
But its true.
Mike Ninja Warrior
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In all seriousness, there's a lot of shit going on that sounds like what Timothy McVeigh was into and that shit's gotta stop. Like throwing bricks through windows after health care. Fuck that.
hyperballad Ninja Warrior
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Subject: Re: Tea Party Sun Apr 18, 2010 10:29 pm
I don't know what you're talking about. These people seem quite charming and compassionate.
LOOK HOW PUNX THE GUY ON THE LEFT IS:
ambrose Borne on the FM Waves
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Subject: Re: Tea Party Mon Apr 19, 2010 2:21 pm
i dunno, "Don't Tax Me Bro" is a pretty punx statement.
also, have a huge problem with this whole organization.
ThusSpokeYourFace Ninja Warrior
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Subject: Re: Tea Party Mon Apr 19, 2010 4:51 pm
Brendan Kelly's take no them: "A bunch of Hillbillies who are on Medicaid and public assistance protesting the president’s tax and healthcare platforms. These teabaggers are geniuses, or at least the pundits at fox are, because yesterday they warned us to watch out for sneaky liberal-socialists POSING as teabaggers doing idiotic things that will make the whole teabag party look like a bunch of mongoloids. I mean, is there a smarter way to preempt the inevitable embarrassing moment that’s just the overwhelming destiny of bringing the stupidest five percent of the active and aggressively loud population together to protest their own best interest because of some vague notion of a god and communism? Good on ya, Fox news. That’s some crack evasive maneuvering. "
ThusSpokeYourFace Ninja Warrior
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Subject: Re: Tea Party Thu Jul 15, 2010 9:01 pm
Recently there's been a lot of debate about whether or not the tea party is racist. I don't think every single person who identifies with the tea party is racist (I do think they're ignorant, misled, and should open a goddamn history book) but there's certainly an argument to be made that the policies they advocate are insensitive to women and minorities and there are a lot of people whose hatred of Obama is motivated by racism.
(thats my favorite)
Anyway this Mark something who is apparently a big tea party dude posted this recently
"Dear Mr. Lincoln
We Colored People have taken a vote and decided that we don’t cotton to that whole emancipation thing. Freedom means having to work for real, think for ourselves, and take consequences along with the rewards. That is just far too much to ask of us Colored People and we demand that it stop!
In fact we held a big meeting and took a vote in Kansas City this week. We voted to condemn a political revival of that old abolitionist spirit called the ‘tea party movement’. The tea party position to “end the bailouts” for example is just silly. Bailouts are just big money welfare and isn’t that what we want all Colored People to strive for? What kind of racist would want to end big money welfare? What they need to do is start handing the bail outs directly to us Colored People! Of course, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People is the only responsible party that should be granted the right to disperse the funds.
And the ridiculous idea of “reduce[ing] the size and intrusiveness of government.” What kind of world would we have is I ever to control and be responsible for my life own? As Colored People we must have somebody care for us otherwise we would be on our own, have to think for ourselves and make decisions and if you do not agree than there is not enough Colored in your People, as we labeled Ken Gladney [source]
The racist tea parties also demand that the government “stop the out of control spending.” Again, they directly target Colored People. That means we Colored People would have to compete for jobs like everybody else and that is just not right.
Perhaps the most racist point of all in the tea parties is their demand that government “stop raising our taxes.” That is outrageous! Totally racist! The tea party expects Colored People to be productive members of society, especially when our mission is to convince them that progress is impossible for them based on the color of their skin?
Mr. Lincoln, you were the greatest racist ever. We had a great gig. Three squares, room and board, all our decisions made by someone else. Please repeal the 13th and 14th Amendments and let us get back to where we say that belong.
Sincerely
Ben Jealous, Tom’s Nephew National Association for the Advancement of Colored People Head Colored Person"
So yeah...wow.
hyperballad Ninja Warrior
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Subject: Re: Tea Party Thu Jul 15, 2010 10:24 pm
I wrote a post about the Tea Party recently on my tumblr. I think it encompasses pretty much everything I feel about them: http://fsufeminist.tumblr.com/page/2
Kam Drinkin' Irish tonight!
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Subject: Re: Tea Party Fri Jul 16, 2010 9:53 pm
I agree with the tea partiers as far as small government.
I also understand why less than 30% are concerned with social justice, because the whole thing started is more about how the government is ruining small businesses. Which it is.
I've recently lost all trust in NY times, and MSNBC (which is good about calling the tea party groups racist) because they show misleading videos on purpose. So anything from either of them is pretty much gone into my 'don't believe until you do research pile'
This group started about the time that the health care bill passed, yes, and as far as I've found it's pretty much because the new bill requires actions that small businesses can not pay for.
Then again, maybe my understanding falls from the fact that I do not support Obama and his socialist ways.
Also, maybe because I'm conflicted between individual freedom and Social welfare and where each should stop.
Also, people telling me to stop smoking because they'll have to pay for my medical bills. Or eating, or drinking, etc.
I mean, is it hard to understand a group of people who do not trust that their government knows best?
ashley Ninja Warrior
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Subject: Re: Tea Party Fri Jul 16, 2010 10:53 pm
yeah, i'm agreeing with Kam. i know some people that are in a local tea party and they aren't racist or "fucking retards..." the few i know are original members of the local party and one is a small business owner. they are for a smaller government. they have had a few "crazies" (the latest being their secretary who they heard throwin' the "n word" around) and have politely asked them to resign to avoid getting a bum rap. the "crazies" do so and then bad mouth the tea party. every political group has their down fall. but seriously, hating on one side is not fair. like all the hate towards FOX News because it's bias... like the other news stations aren't just as bias in the other direction? but wait it's okay for them because they share the same view as you...
hyperballad Ninja Warrior
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Subject: Re: Tea Party Sat Jul 17, 2010 2:08 am
Being biased is one thing. Being hateful is another, and if you don't think that much of the Tea Party (note: I said much, not all), well I really don't have much to add.
Kam Drinkin' Irish tonight!
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Subject: Re: Tea Party Sat Jul 17, 2010 3:21 am
hyperballad wrote:
Being biased is one thing. Being hateful is another, and if you don't think that much of the Tea Party (note: I said much, not all), well I really don't have much to add.
I'll so post links on how Rattigan of MSNBC treated a leader of the Sacramento Tea Party member/leader? Both sides are ridiculous, especially if you try to have CNN as the middle ground, but lately it feels that you have to wait a couple of days to make sure CNN has gotten the facts straight.
That aside, I read your Tea Party Rant and all I have to say is that Glenn Beck is now calling Obama the anti-christ because of mass salvation? He's pretty damn creepy to watch.
I would like to argue that I think the tea party are people who are disheartened, scared people. The economy is in scatters and they see the government telling them what is right and what will work after we just got rid of Bush. These are normal people whose political views are fluid and uncertain, which doesn't make them uneducated.
Okay, screw it. Here's the video mainly because past Rattigan being a douche the dude answers his question.
PS: Olberman is also good at showing some hatred toward the "tea baggers"
StoolPigeon Ninja Warrior
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Subject: Re: Tea Party Sat Jul 17, 2010 3:38 am
Kam wrote:
Okay, screw it. Here's the video mainly because past Rattigan being a douche the dude answers his question.
PS: Olberman is also good at showing some hatred toward the "tea baggers"
What. The. Fuck. I'd never seen his show before, and likely never will, again. Are all American political commentators this childish??
StoolPigeon Ninja Warrior
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Subject: Re: Tea Party Sat Jul 17, 2010 3:40 am
Also, Olberman just makes me laugh. He gets so into what he's talking about.
hyperballad Ninja Warrior
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Subject: Re: Tea Party Sat Jul 17, 2010 3:43 am
Someone can be disheartened by the way Obama is handling things, but there are plenty of non-crazy conservatives that don't go around spewing some of the awful things much of the Tea Party protestors have been saying. For example, Mark Williams, a Tea Party spokesman, recently claimed that the NAACP are actually the racist ones and have made more money off of racism than slave traders. WTF is that?!
Also, it seems like many of them are ignorant, so they take everything Glenn Beck and what all the other douchenozzles at Fox say and go around preaching it, even if they have no idea what they're talking about. My Jewish grandmother was a lifelong liberal Democrat who's helped many progressive causes, so hearing all of the "Obama=Nazi" drivel infuriates me. Notice how many of the people saying that AREN'T EVEN FUCKING JEWISH?! And the whole getting pissed off about a drug czar (apparently making Obama a commie) is fucking dumb, because a) Ronald Reagan is the president who created the position and b) The Communists in Russia OVERTHREW the czar.
I understand if conservatives are upset with Obama, even if I disagree. I will not, however, see the Tea Party as a legitimate group because of its beliefs and actions thus far.
And here's a story about Sharron Angle, a member of the Tea Party running against Harry Reid, who believes that a woman should "turn lemons into lemonade" by not getting an abortion if she's raped or gets pregnant from incest. If the crazy ones were few and far between, how could a politician like this gain a following? http://www.feministing.com/archives/021695.html
Just to add one last thing, Tea Party logic seems to be this "LIBERTY! SMALL GOVERNMENT! Well, except if you're gay, want rights to your own body, and aren't a Christian".
Kam Drinkin' Irish tonight!
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Subject: Re: Tea Party Sat Jul 17, 2010 4:52 am
The NAACP is a joke and has been for years. Whenever they try to make themselves relevant they show how much they are not. This a group who wanted a white woman to be charged with murder because she shot and killed one of three black men who were beating on her son with baseball bats. Bad enough that they gave her son permanent brain damage.
With those kinds of views, I'll call them racist. They have also said nothing denouncing the new black panther group, who in my opinion is a huge detriment to black civil rights.
The same thing happened with Bush, and yes I know you didn't agree with it then. But this is nothing new, it's another lazy insult.
I think your mindset is what is really being fought over here, people claiming that they know better and that everyone else are mindless sheep and that they'll follow whoever they can. They may not know who first created the position, or all the historical facts. What they're against is big government telling them what to do, because the big government knows better.
I mean, are you telling me that all Liberals know what the hell they are talking about? I doubt even half of them do, but I still find them walking the ten feet to where I've isolated myself to smoke to tell me that I'm a moron for smoking.
I'm not going to get into the pro-life debate, we all know that the basis of that is based mostly on religious views. And that is what that statement is about. Actually, that was before I read the article. You're sitting here calling someone crazy because they believe in God and his plan? This is not crazy thinking, this thinking should not be involved in law making, but it is not crazy thinking.
I think the tea party is too new to be a pin-point idea of what it's doing. I think that the basis is small government, and that any other views are just side thoughts, and right now they even oppose each other. This is one reason that I'm not a part of it, because I don't know where they draw the line between small government and no government. I mean, yes now there's big political people speaking and of course this is where crap starts getting screwed up but the regular people? The small business owners, or tha ones who are against taxation, or just the regular joe who is against big government... these are the mixed group of people who some are holding the stupid signs, but these and the backbone is small government and I don't think that it involves whether you're gay, want rights your body, or aren't christian. I think those are the rest of the beliefs of some of the people involved. Which does not trump what the backbone of it is.
hyperballad Ninja Warrior
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Subject: Re: Tea Party Sat Jul 17, 2010 1:24 pm
No, I don't think that anyone who doesn't have the same views as me are mindless sheep. However, many of the Tea Party members clearly don't know the shit they're talking about and rally behind talking points presented to them by Fox News. This is not true of all conservatives, because I know plenty of intelligent conservatives who can provide me with a smart debate, but a lot these people are just angry, easily impressionable people who turn their "concern" about big government (because, you know, George Bush was completely against big government...except he led our country into two wars, signed in the Patriot Act, was extremely anti-choice and anti-gay marriage). The problem with their claim of being anti-big government is that they CLEARLY ARE NOT. They're only for "small government" when it comes to taxes. They don't give a shit about government size when it comes to homosexuals, women, choice, anyone who isn't a Christian...you get the idea.
Comparing the Tea Party and liberals is a shaking comparison, mainly because one is a specific party and one is a loose term for an ideology. And telling someone they shouldn't smoke is not the same as thinking the government has a right to refuse rights to homosexuals and women, because the first one is actually a legitimate concern and is usually done out of concern, not paranoia.
Kam Drinkin' Irish tonight!
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Subject: Re: Tea Party Sat Jul 17, 2010 2:49 pm
hyperballad wrote:
No, I don't think that anyone who doesn't have the same views as me are mindless sheep. However, many of the Tea Party members clearly don't know the shit they're talking about and rally behind talking points presented to them by Fox News. This is not true of all conservatives, because I know plenty of intelligent conservatives who can provide me with a smart debate, but a lot these people are just angry, easily impressionable people who turn their "concern" about big government (because, you know, George Bush was completely against big government...except he led our country into two wars, signed in the Patriot Act, was extremely anti-choice and anti-gay marriage). The problem with their claim of being anti-big government is that they CLEARLY ARE NOT. They're only for "small government" when it comes to taxes. They don't give a shit about government size when it comes to homosexuals, women, choice, anyone who isn't a Christian...you get the idea.
Comparing the Tea Party and liberals is a shaking comparison, mainly because one is a specific party and one is a loose term for an ideology. And telling someone they shouldn't smoke is not the same as thinking the government has a right to refuse rights to homosexuals and women, because the first one is actually a legitimate concern and is usually done out of concern, not paranoia.
First, this is probably going to be jumpy because I already wrote it once and somehow managed to lose it.
This is the second time, you are basically calling them mindless sheep. That is what your words imply, that you view them as mindless sheep. And I apologize if it seems that I'm saying this is only because you don't agree with them. I'm not saying that, I do see where you're coming from.
But, I would dare say that the same can be said about Liberals. And at the risk of sounding like I'm from Fox News, the liberal ideals of taking care of each other blinds most liberals to how what they're arguing for actually ASKS the government to share their bed.
I will also agree that a lot of the Tea Partiers are angry. And they should be. We just got done with eight years of a crap government, that we could not trust. Hell yes, be angry because once again? We're stuck with another President we can't trust, who is not listening to what the majority of the people of this country want.
I'll admit two things first, Obama's health care promise was a lose/lose for him. There was no way he could please the people and keep his promise. and he has at least kept some of his promises in word if not spirit. But he kept the damned Patriot Act in effect (which is when I personally lost most faith in him). Actually, maybe you agree with the next few statements I'm about to make. The way he did health care was reprehensible, and the same is going for his Financial reform. His health care plan is actually going to cost 150 billion dollars because it was ignorant to think we could pay for it without raising taxes. Though that is about all that can be made sense of it because it was what 23,000 pages long?
Yeah, I would say they're angry. I would also agree that a small portion of them are racist, but I would not agree that it is what the whole movement is about. Maybe the best way to say it is that, these are a group of people who are angry that a government who can't even manage their own money, telling them how they should run their businesses. And yes, it is fully a business oriented movement.. If I didn't say that, I meant to. I apologize.
Which is fine with me, because not every group needs to have a stance on homosexual marriages, abortions, etc. It is growing, and it is still feeling itself out, this is still a pretty new movement and I'm sure it will evolve.
Bush was the worst of both the republicans and the democrats. I am in now way, and never will be a Bush supporter. I'll most likely agree with any valid negative views on Bush.
I'm just going to breifly say, that I don't view liberalism as an ideology. And that I view them as pretty much the same, other than how long they've been around.
Smoking, abortions, and same sex marriage all share one common thread. People thinking that they can tell other people what is best for them, how they should do something, that they know best.
The same way that if I choose to have an abortion, I can choose to carry out a high risk pregnancy no matter how dangerous this may be for my, or my child's health and I can expect no one to tell me how stupid I am, I don't believe that exceptions should be made because I'm trying to bring a life into this world or trying to kill myself slowly with a cigarette.
It doesn't matter if it is out of concern, or not. I do not need anyone to tell me how to live my life.
That is where I reach my understanding with the Tea Party Movement. Regardless if they're talking about small government regarding businesses, who is the government to tell me how to run my life?
ashley Ninja Warrior
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Subject: Re: Tea Party Sat Jul 17, 2010 2:56 pm
hyperballad wrote:
They don't give a shit about government size when it comes to homosexuals, women, choice, anyone who isn't a Christian...you get the idea.
you're making way too many generalizations. i said before i knew a few people in the local tea party. i know three extremely well. i mentioned one being a small business owner, she owns a children clothing store. the other works at children's hosptial and is not religious at all and the third, i have mentioned on here before, is a gay, 18 year old male. i know two other guys who are gay and have conservative views. might make no sense to you but they are, they of course shoot down the idea of banning gay marriage but not agreeing with one thing doesn't make them liberals, hypocrites or stupid. it makes trying to label someone stupid. it's not white and black. conservative and liberal. well you know what i guess you do mention a gray area, that area being "mindless sheep." ...
Kam Drinkin' Irish tonight!
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Subject: Re: Tea Party Sat Jul 17, 2010 3:24 pm
StoolPigeon wrote:
Kam wrote:
Okay, screw it. Here's the video mainly because past Rattigan being a douche the dude answers his question.
PS: Olberman is also good at showing some hatred toward the "tea baggers"
What. The. Fuck. I'd never seen his show before, and likely never will, again. Are all American political commentators this childish??
Kind of? It's hard to say, because there are other commentators that I know of that have kind of done the same thing, except the guest was actually avoiding the question or actually spitting out hateful rhetoric. There's this one lady on Fox, that went off on this lady who was protesting gays at a soldier's funeral. She ended up just cutting her off all together, but this was after the lady said something highly offensive. And, quite a few on Fox will talk over the guests and not let them answer but never act like Rattigan did.
I believe the general view on Rattigan is that he just does these things to get viewers.
Dude, Olbberman spooks me! He's like a far left version of Bill O'Rielly except he gets so into it I can't even argue with my TV. I found his Tea bagger rant while looking for that video. I did this:
here's a link to the fox news lady and the crazy christian lady https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mc5FIMpHbgU skip to about 1 minute for screaming. I enjoyed that someone who works for Fox News broke the stereo type the news channel is given so vehemently.
skalastics Untouchable
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Subject: Re: Tea Party Sat Jul 17, 2010 4:21 pm
we're all on the same sinking ship fox news in a general way is the worst type of propaganda msnbc and cnn aren't much better but the focus of their propaganda tends to be a little easier to swallow. all religions are bullshit if there is a god he gives no shit about the human race and their petty goings on. religion historically has been a system of control based on fear from tribal sacrements to mass sacrifice to appease deities for fear of retribution, hinduism has the caste system, christianity has hell, islam and judeaism the promise of life eternal, can anyone say with certainty that their beleif system is right. its all retarded, have faith if you want but ill stand and face the world as i know it, rather than kneel for a world i don't.
Kam Drinkin' Irish tonight!
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Subject: Re: Tea Party Sat Jul 17, 2010 4:34 pm
skalastics wrote:
we're all on the same sinking ship fox news in a general way is the worst type of propaganda msnbc and cnn aren't much better but the focus of their propaganda tends to be a little easier to swallow. all religions are bullshit if there is a god he gives no shit about the human race and their petty goings on. religion historically has been a system of control based on fear from tribal sacrements to mass sacrifice to appease deities for fear of retribution, hinduism has the caste system, christianity has hell, islam and judeaism the promise of life eternal, can anyone say with certainty that their beleif system is right. its all retarded, have faith if you want but ill stand and face the world as i know it, rather than kneel for a world i don't.
I would argue that CNN is your best bet, and that Fox News and MSNBC are more on the same level... because seriously CNN is a crap load above MSNBC. Crap load is an actual measurment system. Also, is propaganda actually propaganda when they tell you that they are giving you opinions from their own point of view, and that point of view is biased? I ask because my knee jerk reaction was what propaganda, which is mostly because when I think of propaganda I think of lies and Fox News, and even CNN (though they've had the one or two times of accidentally reporting wrong information, they fix it when they realize it) are good at giving the facts. Fox News is just very blatant that they're telling you it from a conservative/Right wing stance.
And this is why I dislike the world in general, because very few actually respect someone else's religion or belief system. A little bit of respect would solve a lot of the world's problems.