Pretty Girls, or, It Kind Of Sounds Like This Song Is About Herpes?

^that was random

Dan wrote:

To be honest. to all you people who say that drugs make your life lame, I would like to ask have you ever done a drug? and pot isnt a real drug. If you havent you have no experience to make an educated decision about drug use. Thank you.

i think your pretty lame

Just like anything else in the world, drugs have some positives, and some negatives. It's all about balance. Pot, unlike other drugs, has far less checks in the negative column than it does in the positive.

i know what you mean about pot not being as mind changing as some other drugs. but pot is a drug everyone knows that. its just not as chemicaly enhanced as other ones... so yea

Is herpes plural, With its singular counterpart being herpe?

sometimes when my friend gets a cold sore i say herpe cuz she only gets one...

See, I was in the same situation the other day at work. Coworker of mine got a "bug bite" (As if I'm going to buy into that), so I compliment him with a "nice herpe". Then I had second thoughts, as to whether it should have been "herpes".

i think singular sounds cooler. plus if you knew me in real life you would realize how weird i talk anyways.

nickyno wrote:

i thought the whole cd was kinda based around the same concept...Miami sets the tone of the culture, with the whole voting scandel in flordia in 2000, then from her lips sets the tone of 05...how low, unprotected sex, pretty girls all kinda the events to lead up to the last song searching for a former clarity, with aids and stuff..also sutff like don't lose touch right before the last song is like if someone has aids there losing touch and know it but can't stop it it's obvious. then joy, everything seems right but unfolds...

idk the exact order or w/e..but it defintly is a compelling story ending with death, via aids.. great album to bad the concept never got mainstream :\

i know i'm new here --- but I just wanted to say ---

I think the whole album uses the metaphor of someone dying from some sort of STD (most likely AIDS) and correlates it to both politics and the state of the band.

Throughout the album, (listen to it through from Miami up to Searching for a Former Clarity - the last song), Tom sings about how a disease is bringing him down and tearing him apart. The first, Miami, talks about how scummy and corrupt Miami is (political references like "ballots floating in the ocean"), which is where he may have first contracted AIDS and signed onto a major contract.

I could write a whole damn blog about this --- but the last song, "Searching for a former clarity" is Tom using the metaphor of dying from AIDS as a way of showing his little, underground punk rock band dying (essentially because he knew they were making the major label move).

"Let this be the end. let this be the last song. let all be forgiven" -- he knew his fans were going to turn on him once he made the inevitable signing to a major (SIRE), he was asking for forgiveness.

COCAINE.... the whole SFAFC cd is about his drug use and how it took control of him. i dont want to explain it right now its midnight but ill come back to this and explain

EDIT!: Hokay soooo the whole cd isnt about his drug abuse, some of it is signing to a major yadda yadda yadda but the other side is about his drug abuse... Violence, How Low straight up tells you he is dealing with his drug abuse.

"What are you cutting this with anyway? 'Cause I have got some really really big plans. And today is the day I'm putting them into action. Then before I know it here I am again, six o'clock in the morning. Rolled up dollar bill in my hand. "

Joy - "I shrug off the answer, continue to get high."

Holy Shit- "Of all the things we'd ask. All the ways we'd like for it to be. They're just drunken conversations"

theres more to it but i cant find where tom or fat mike or maybe even someone else from the band explains it but ya thats the basics, and sorry for saying the whole cd. But a good portion of it does if i can find the interview or whatever it was ill post it but they explain a lot of the shit.

ska_sean wrote:

COCAINE.... the whole SFAFC cd is about his drug use and how it took control of him. i dont want to explain it right now its midnight but ill come back to this and explain

lemme know dude, you set it up for suspense.

i believe the entire album is a concept album and ties a message of the political happenings in america, the politics of the band signing to a major label, and there downward spiral all with a metaphor dealing with sex

i don't think they've ever came out and admitted that there was a story behind the album though (it's somewhat apparent that the majority of the songs connect)

they did come out or someone on FAT came out and gave the story behind the CD ive tried looking for it all day but sorry

I do think that the LP gets the concept across a bit better. I forget exactly how it's divided up, but each side seems to be a different act in the story.

My question is whether or not it was SUPPOSED to be a concept album, or did it just work out that the songs, when lined up as they were, became a long narrative?

ska_sean wrote:

they did come out or someone on FAT came out and gave the story behind the CD ive tried looking for it all day but sorry

......not to hijack the threat, but is that an IRA icon you have there?

If so, why?

why yes it is, solidarity, im irish american living in miami... but anywho i think its bullshit they are on the terrorist list and blah blah blah but im not getting into it.

ska_sean wrote:

why yes it is, solidarity, im irish american living in miami... but anywho i think its bullshit they are on the terrorist list and blah blah blah but im not getting into it.

Oh, I understand. It's a ten year conversation, that is. I was just not sure if it was a band or something. Or maybe you weren't aware of what it was. And as much as I don't like the IRA (I'm an Irish American too, but I've never been to Ireland, and my family hopped on a boat and left because it sucked, so I suppose I'm just an American, really), I really, really don't like people who wear a symbol they don't understand.

For example - all those dumb kids with Che Guevara shirts and purses and pins. I really, really hate that trend.

It's very Chiché Guevara, in fact.

There's nothing more ironic than buying a communist icon on a capitalist market.

Che is the fucking MAN! i love him to death, and the ira i fully understand dont worry about that young padawan. And im really american american too but i embrace my irish heritage cause WERE COOL!

I never thought that my heritage defined me very much. I'm very American that way, I suppose, in that I have no real connections to anything, past, present, or future. The few sad attempts at celebrating my heritage (Irish and Native America, mostly, though I've a healthy bit of French in me as well, my family name was originally Dereazeaux, or something really long and hard to spell like that, it became Deriso in the 18th century when they got off the boat) have mostly just left me sort of embarassed. I really have no culture, and I don't particularly care about anyone else's culture, I think culture is just an extension of nationalism, and nationalism is something that I would consider one of the truly great evils in the world. Love of country and culture have led to some remarkably evil things.

I'm not a big fan of Che. He's an interesting historical figure, and I have read some books about him/by him, but I'd never wear his face. Buy a Socialist Party t-shirt instead. Or a bag that says "support Democratic Socialism" or something.

theres a great movie its in spanish, has subtitles i think its called the motorcycle diaries, its about His work in south america.... very very good!

i personally think that this forum needs a moderator, way too off topic...


but with pretty girls i think its about his x-wife. maybe he caught something one the road, being irresponsible. therefore when he wanted to see his wife, he was nervous because if there was chemistry he would have to explain why it couldnt happen in order not to give it to her.

then at the end "drunk mouth ruined it again, sometimes i say the dumbest things. oh but baby its not you specifically it could be anybody, ive gone and built this up in my head. now its allready over, its already over. its already over before it started."


i think maybe he was calling his wife and thinking all of this stuff, but he ruins it saying something dumb, and never ended up seeing her.

But it's fun to be off topic!

Does anyone have any links or specific sources on some of the background info on the SFAFC album? I first heard that Tom was getting divorced from the MAGNET article. Are there any sort of in depth discussions about why that was such a dark album?

mattharris wrote:

i personally think that this forum needs a moderator, way too off topic...


but with pretty girls i think its about his x-wife. maybe he caught something one the road, being irresponsible. therefore when he wanted to see his wife, he was nervous because if there was chemistry he would have to explain why it couldnt happen in order not to give it to her.

then at the end "drunk mouth ruined it again, sometimes i say the dumbest things. oh but baby its not you specifically it could be anybody, ive gone and built this up in my head. now its allready over, its already over. its already over before it started."


i think maybe he was calling his wife and thinking all of this stuff, but he ruins it saying something dumb, and never ended up seeing her.

agreed, definitely strayed away from the original topic. as i did say earlier about how the whole album is connected with this meaphor of an std (representing the fame and major label signing that may be ensuing).

I think it's about him being nervous that he has a disease (like you said), but also that he changed while he was on the road on tour, away from her so long has complicated things too.





ALSO, i think all song meaning threads should atleast have someone post the lyrics ----

Quote :

What are you gonna say when she picks up the phone?
Should you leave a message if she's not at home?
I wanted to know if you'd like to see a movie or get a drink.
It would be cool just to be in your company.
But if she says yes know what intentions might be.
If one thing leads to another and there's some chemistry.
You cannot lie, you have to tell the truth.
You have to explain why this could never be, because

There are things that cannot be undone.
There are mistakes that will never be forgiven.
Sometimes at night, I pray to wake a different person in a different place.

Maybe we could just be friends.
I'm being a bit presumptuous.
The stomach churns, the mind starts to race.
You nervously start to exaggerate.
I just want to be young, I want to live.
I want to be healthy,
I don't want this problem.
You wouldn't think something like (sexual) irresponsibility,
would complicate something like asking for some company.

But there are things you must accept as said and done.
There are truths you must learn to confront.
You can pray all night and day.
You'll always wake the same person in the same place.

Drunk mouth ruined it again.
Sometimes I say the dumbest things.
Baby it's not you specifically it could be anybody.
I gone and built this up in my head and now it's already over,
It's already over, it's already over before it started.

The last two lines are my favorite.

Yeah, I'm really late on this, haha, but did anyone find that article about the meaning behind SFAFC? Like it being a narrative or not and if it was, a narrative about drugs, STDs, or music politics?